Curse

-.- · Nov 25, 2006, 06:01 PM // 18:01

Apply Poison and Suffering is good enough.

SumXone · Nov 25, 2006, 06:19 PM // 18:19

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Originally Posted by -.-

Apply Poison and Suffering is good enough.

well, there is no reason in wasting a precious 2nd class on a r/n, when you can just as well take a n/? with a valuable 2nd class. like monk for balthasars spirit, so the monk does not have to take it etc.
also, disease (which only does -4 degen btw, just like poison) spreads instantly to all adjacent creatures, making it the better poison for afk farming.
as the necro is just as sturdy with all the bonds up as the ranger, the necro wins this race.

it's all about perfection.

-.- · Nov 25, 2006, 06:23 PM // 18:23

It doesn't really matter about perfection if it's R/N or N/x. They both still provide a steady -6 Degeneration. That is all that matters. It's all about personal opinion.

AlienFromBeyond · Nov 25, 2006, 06:26 PM // 18:26

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Originally Posted by SumXone

take vocal minority, to lower the spears damage even more, and prevent them from selfhealing with chants.

Why not use Well of Silence instead? Replace Suffering with it. You'll be doing 1 more pip of degen, and they won't be able to use shouts or chants.

darktyco · Nov 25, 2006, 06:38 PM // 18:38

I only have Nightfall so Life Barrier is unavailable to me. Would a warrior/ranger be able to tank 8 spears without life barrier on or would the damage still be too high? I was hoping that his higher armor rating would be able to mitigate some of the damage so he could still be bonded without killing the monk. It would be possible to actually keep two or more monks on him if I was only attempting to do a single group of spears.

I was thinking about giving that hero a scythe and at least apply poison, whirling defense, defensive stance, shields up, and watch yourself.

Out of town for a week so I can't try anything out until I get back, any suggestions until then?

Cyan The Archer · Nov 25, 2006, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by SumXone

well, there is no reason in wasting a precious 2nd class on a r/n, when you can just as well take a n/? with a valuable 2nd class. like monk for balthasars spirit, so the monk does not have to take it etc.
also, disease (which only does -4 degen btw, just like poison) spreads instantly to all adjacent creatures, making it the better poison for afk farming.
as the necro is just as sturdy with all the bonds up as the ranger, the necro wins this race.

it's all about perfection.

The question is, why change when its fine as it is? Change Apply Poison to Tainted Flesh/Rotting Flesh i can agree will make it faster(Because a scythe dont hit all around you), but then there is really no reason to change it. If you take more degen it will probably be slower because there will be less Scythes. And
Balts Spirit isnt neccesary on the tank when you and/or the monk is COMPLETELY fine with it. The monk have NO energy problems AT ALL.

(on 48k points Yay!)

-.- · Nov 25, 2006, 07:14 PM // 19:14

49k and counting...

mwpeck · Nov 25, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22

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I was wondering earlier. Since Apply Poison + Well of Suffering is slightly too potent. Why not use Rotting Flesh on its own instead? You'd keep them all at a -6 degen, not too strong, not too weak.

I personally dont find it too potent. I have started using it and it keeps about 3-4 torments up at once. Highest i've seen was 7 with 2 of them close to dying. Besides, that would be equal to just taking apply poison and suffering.(which is what I use, along with well of suffering)

Slainster · Nov 25, 2006, 07:23 PM // 19:23

Guys, just wondering if there is a difference between farming Scythes or spears?

YornStar · Nov 25, 2006, 07:25 PM // 19:25

afk farm?

-.- · Nov 25, 2006, 07:25 PM // 19:25

10:9 Ratio for Scythes to Spears.

mwpeck · Nov 25, 2006, 07:27 PM // 19:27

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10:9 Ratio for Scythes to Spears.

Correct, But I had trouble getting the scythes setup....Right now, I have 2 groups of spears going with my monk out in the middle of nowhere(not being blocked by a wall) and i've had no trouble for the past 2 hours, she is in casting range, but outta aggro range. When I tried something similar on the scythes, they ran around and for some reason my hero moved and they went for the monk.

-.- · Nov 25, 2006, 07:34 PM // 19:34

That happened to me when I tried to pull the Scythes to the Rangers, but I figured out that if I substituted myself for the tank to body block the Scythes, I can reposition the Rangers to take my spot.

Cyan The Archer · Nov 25, 2006, 07:35 PM // 19:35

The Scythes have a small bug that makes them break out of their group when they duplicate to around 5, but its still possible to farm them if you have some practice(Doing Scythes myself). Scythes also do more dmg, so Spears are definately easier.

Lady Phaeton · Nov 25, 2006, 07:39 PM // 19:39

Just thought I'd share some screens of my setup with the builds mentioned in this thread. I have 2 groups of Spears going and I took screens of the setup from 2 different angles. I hope this helps anyone else out there that is confused or having difficulty setting up 2 groups.

Make sure you click on the link that says view original size so you can see the full res of it.

- Lady Phaeton

SumXone · Nov 25, 2006, 07:42 PM // 19:42

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Originally Posted by Cyan The Archer

The question is, why change when its fine as it is? Change Apply Poison to Tainted Flesh/Rotting Flesh i can agree will make it faster(Because a scythe dont hit all around you), but then there is really no reason to change it. If you take more degen it will probably be slower because there will be less Scythes. And
Balts Spirit isnt neccesary on the tank when you and/or the monk is COMPLETELY fine with it. The monk have NO energy problems AT ALL.

(on 48k points Yay!)

well, at some point, everything seems fine as it is, but some people strive for perfection and always try to make things a little bit faster, better, saver.^^

btw, rotting flesh has -4 just as poison has, so it does not make the torments die faster, it just keeps the degen steady.
right now, i'm testing spoil victor as elite. it should bring the torments to about 50% pretty fast, from there on, the degen brings them down. as they only duplicate below ~50%. it does not make them die faster, but it speeds up the overall process. and as far as i can tell it after 1h, it does.

you ppl can always keep the old working builds, or you could try to improve them and tell us here how.

that's what it's all about. don't just be a follower.

YornStar · Nov 25, 2006, 07:43 PM // 19:43

so you don't use the henchmen, only heroes?

mwpeck · Nov 25, 2006, 07:44 PM // 19:44

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Originally Posted by Lady Phaeton

Just thought I'd share some screens of my setup with the builds mentioned in this thread.

- Lady Phaeton

Thats kinda how I have mine setup right now. Exact formation just in a different location. My 2 starting spears were a little close to the res shrine, so I had to move them to the far side of it. Thats why I like the spears, you can prettymuch position them anywhere you want and go with it.

Cyan The Archer · Nov 25, 2006, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by SumXone

well, at some point, everything seems fine as it is, but some people strive for perfection and always try to make things a little bit faster, better, saver.^^

btw, rotting flesh has -4 just as poison has, so it does not make the torments die faster, it just keeps the degen steady.
right now, i'm testing spoil victor as elite. it should bring the torments to about 50% pretty fast, from there on, the degen brings them down. as they only duplicate below ~50%. it does not make them die faster, but it speeds up the overall process. and as far as i can tell it after 1h, it does.

you ppl can always keep the old working builds, or you could try to improve them and tell us here how.

that's what it's all about. don't just be a follower.

It does. Scythes will hit up to 3 targets i have heard, and Rotting Flesh 'hits' all the scythes.

Slainster · Nov 25, 2006, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Originally Posted by -.-

10:9 Ratio for Scythes to Spears.

So what does that mean?

They drop faster?